Celebrity Pastors

8-14-18 Celebrity Pastors (Copeland, Warren, Hybels, Locke)

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Hello friends and welcome to the podcast! Today the podcast revolves around celebrity pastors. The article we are basing the talk on is from The Christian Post

Celebrity Pastors Hybels, Copeland, and Warren

Bill Hybels

Hybels is the focus of the article linked to above. He has fallen hard, and rightly so. The cover up that took place at Willow Creek was monumental. After the latest allegation that surfaced against the defamed pastor, the entire board at the mega church resigned.

The power that Hybels yielded is both frightening and alarming. A lot of focus is now being put on mega churches and the power that the pastor is given. These churches are usually started in their home and the pastors have all the power. This power is later heightened as the church grows exponentially.

There is a common theme at these mega churches: The Purpose Driven Church.

Rick Warren

The Sunday Special Podcast that we did on the 12th highlights Rick Warren. We focus in on the good, the bad, and the in-between. His heightened focus on church planting has led to massive mega churches spanning the United States. This lust for power and growth has led to massive power at the fingertips of mega pastors. Pastors like Osteen, Hybels, Copeland, and Furtick have all of the power in their churches. What they say goes.

We discuss the recent article highlighting Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church baptizing 50,000 people. How many of those people are truly saved? How many are still attending church at all? Those are the numbers we do not hear about.

Ken Copeland

Here is a video clip of Copeland talking about how he ‘healed’ his plane of corrosion.

Greg Locke

I have decided to make the next Sunday Special on Greg Locke. This wolf in sheep’s clothing needs to be exposed for the fraud he is. His blatant heresy and un-repenting, sinful lifestyle is a slap in the face to evangelicalism. Because of this, Locke needs to resign.

Locke divorced his wife. Locke married another woman. This woman is his administrative assistant. This woman was his ex wife’s best friend.

Do I need to say more? Here is an excerpt of an article highlighting this filth:

After months of denying they were in an intimate relationship before his recent divorce, Greg Locke, the outspoken internet preacher and lead pastor of Global Vision Bible Church in Tennessee, has married his administrative assistant and ex-wife’s best friend, Tai Cowan McGee.

Pulpit and Pen first cited a copy of the newlywed’s marriage certificate filed in Wilson County, showing that Locke, 42, and McGee who also recently went through a divorce, were married on Tuesday by Global Vision Bible Church’s Executive Pastor Jarrod Almond. The marriage came after Locke legally divorced his ex-wife Melissa, whom he said he “loved for 21 years.”

Pastors should not divorce. If they are a practicing pastor and become divorced, it is obvious that they need to resign. If he stays behind the pulpit, his flock will then destroy itself. Because of his lifestyle choices, it is important to bring his sin to light.

God bless



Alex Jones

Alex Jones, Candace Owens, Bill Hybels, Young Earth Theory!

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Hello friends and thank you for listening to the podcast! The main point of today’s podcast is the attack on Alex Jones and free speech. Candace Owens was also attacked by this movement as she was temporarily suspended from using Twitter. I do not necessarily agree with Alex Jones or some of his points, but he is still entitled to his voice to be heard equally. Notice that I say equally. If these tech companies would police both sides equally, then I believe it would be okay to eliminate Alex Jones from using their platforms. This is called the free market! But it is not about equal policing, is it?

Alex Jones and Candace Owens

Alex Jones is the biggest conspiracy theorist in the mainstream today. Out of Austin, Texas, Jones has become a mainstream personality during the Trump era. Finding footing during the 9/11 fallout under George Bush, Jones has consistently been a thorn in the establishments side.

He says a lot of outlandish things that allows him to get headlines on mainstream sites. He is talked about on the nightly news and was even spoken about from Hilary Clinton herself.

Candace Owens has become a mainstream conservative speaker as well. I would want to see her thoughts on Alex Jones. Candace recently appeared on his show. She was also attacked by the Twitter moderators for her attack on the new NYT Editorial Board member. I would highlight the tweets below on posting, but they are very profane. I read them on the podcast, and you can see them linked here.



Willow Creek Church

Bill HybelsBill Hybels is the biggest pastor to fall during the #MeToo movement. The recent allegation against him will make 10 women that have came forth against the defamed pastor. The account that she tells is graphic to read and is disheartening to see more women come against him. To be fair to Hybels, he has sternly denied these recent allegations against him from this women.

The fallout has led the teaching pastor that took over for him to resign. This man was co-pastoring with another teaching pastor that is a women. He has decided to resign after these latest allegations while the woman has decided to stay on.

I go in on this pastor that decided to leave the church. I believe that a true shepherd would not leave his flock when the weather gets bad. A true shepherd would help the flock through the storm. A false or weak shepherd can only lead the flock when it is sunny and 75 degrees outside.


Young Earth Argument

young earth theoryThis section of the podcast was cut short due to my son waking up earlier than usual. If you have kids you know exactly what I mean!

I preface the argument by stating that this is a secondary argument that cannot keep you from an eternal salvation. However, believing the old earth theory is the wedge evolutionists are using to try and discredit the Bible and Genesis altogether. They are teaching our children this doctrine! This is the way that they can begin to lead young children into atheism and away from salvation.

God bless

Mega Pastors and #MeToo

There has been a slue of mega church scandals in recent years. I was telling people back when the Catholic Church was going through their scandals that we need to slow our role on attacking the Catholic Church because it will eventually come to roost in evangelicalism. The bird has come to roost.

Two mega pastors have now gone down because of sexual assault in their past. Oddly enough, Paige Patterson from the SBC was vilified in the national media while these two pastors have not had near as much press on their allegations. Why is that?

The Catholic Church has been destroyed because of the sexual abuse that has gone on for years and covered up by officials as high up as the Vatican. This has destroyed trust among Catholics and has tarnished their reputation. The plus with evangelicalism is that we are not a religion that works as a government, so it is easy for us to investigate the allegations and deal out the punishment without political interference.

Art Azurdia

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Art was the pastor at Trinity Church of Portland until recent sexual immoral acts have surfaced. After an internal investigation from the elders at Trinity Church, Art Azurdia was eliminated from the pastoral role.

Surprisingly enough, the allegation was brought forth June 24 and he has already been terminated from his position at the church. Below is the statement from the Trinity Church of Portland’s website:

On Sunday, June 24, the elders of Trinity Church of Portland received an accusation that Art Azurdia has been in a sexually immoral relationship with a woman from outside of Trinity Church. The elders of Trinity Church, after an initial investigation, confronted Art with the accusation. Art admitted to the immorality. He also admitted to a previous sexually immoral relationship. Based on these facts and the biblical qualifications required of an elder (1 Timothy 3, Titus 1), the elders have removed Art Azurdia as Senior Minister of Word and Worship at Trinity Church, as an elder, and from all pastoral ministry at Trinity Church. We grieve the shame this brings to the Gospel and the sorrow it brings to God’s people.

Bill Hybels


Willow Creek Community Church was founded in 1975 by Bill Hybels and in April of 2018, Hybels left the church with his tail in-between his legs. Unlike Trinity Church, Willow Creek botched the handling of this internal investigation. Hybels resigned in early April because of an investigation that was published in the Chicago Tribune that highlighted some of the sexual assault accusations.

During the beginning stages of their investigation, the Willow Creek elders and Bill Hybels painted these accusers as liars with Hybels even uttering the words, “The accusations you hear in the Tribune are just flat-out lies”.

In the Christian Post article I found this particular part of the article very interesting:

In May, Pam Orr, then chair of the elder board, admitted that they failed to hold Hybels “accountable to specific boundaries” and not all of the women’s stories were lies.

What exactly do they mean by “accountable to specific boundaries”? I am not quite sure what kind of pastor you feel like he should have been on a tighter leash? I think being a shepherd for the Lord’s sheep is a tight enough leash to know you should be holding yourself accountable and holding yourself to a high standard?

Below is an excerpt of a statement made by Lead Pastor Heather Larson of Willow Creek:

I know these past months have been excruciating, and I want to personally acknowledge to you the mistakes that I have made. I need to speak these words for my own integrity and for our church. I need to publicly apologize to the women who raised concerns about Bill.

To the women directly, I can’t imagine how painful the past months have been for you, and I am so sorry for my part in that.

It was stated that the allegations are all lies, and I do not believe that. I should have jumped in and declared that personally right away when that statement was made. I believe the stories that Bill had interactions that were hurtful to these women. That is wrong, and I hope and pray that someday this can be made right.

You can read her whole statement here, along with statements from other elders.

What do we do with these scandals?

When you are a true born again Christian, there are certain actions you do not partake in. There are certain boundaries brought to you through the Holy Spirit. Like we read in 1 John during our podcasts, if you are in Christ the seed is in you and you cannot sin. “Cannot sin” refers to perpetually living in sin. So what do we do about these pastors?

Scandals have rocked the Christian faith since the beginning of the faith. In this new age of the #metoo movement, it is even more important for pastors to be buttoned up with no skeletons in the closet. The larger the church, however, we often find the most skeletons.

Why is this?

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I personally believe that the mega churches in the world are primarily focused on revenues and not leading people to be disciples of Christ as we are called to do in the Great Commission. They are more worried about their personal social media following than their impact on the local community. They are more worried about earthly treasures than stocking up treasures in heaven.

I am not here to say that mega churches are all rotten to the core, but that these churches often breed earthly lusts that can spiral out of control. For the pastors out there sinning in their private lives, they often forget this passage of scripture. This passage should shake them to their core, especially if they are caught living in sin:

‘Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. ‘ James 3:1

So many men want to be pastors, but how many are prepared for this judgement?

God bless

7/7/18 – “Sexual Assault Allegations” under Art Azurdia has changed to “Sexual immoral acts”. There is a big difference between the two and I should have been careful w my wording.